Hey, fringe -- lay off the panic button
This article has spread across the fringe-o-sphere like the "brushfire" of its metaphoric headline:
Stock Market Brushfire; Will there be a run on the banks?
NO, dammit. Not right now. It's too early.
Not unless you keep cranking that siren. Are you TRYING to cause a run on the banks, with your panic scenarios?
Yes. You are.
You'd love it if the stock market crashed and all your dire predictions came true. You and your guns and your gold could crouch in the tall grass around your fortified homes and shiver with grim satisfaction.
But that's just me, I guess.
Look, sometimes I dwell in that world, too. Anyone who reads this blog -- all two of you -- know that. Some of the philosophy makes a lot of sense. Your scenario is one of the ones that may come true. But the world may go in a different direction than the one you predict. Have you taken steps to adapt to more than one? Or does it just have to be yours?
Do you want it so bad you've got to make it true? Is "I told you so" that important? You people try so hard to make Ed and Elaine Brown, two incredibly insignificant people on whom, till now, I've been striving not to waste words, into a libertarian cause celebre, and your new Waco keeps NOT HAPPENING, doesn't it? I'm expecting one of you to start plinking at the police cars after a while just to relieve your tension by starting the festivities.
Yeah, I know, the mainstream media participated in the panic campaign too. Seems to me that's the exact reason why you SHOULDN'T have.
I'm tired of hearing about how Ron Paul is the only one who can save America. He can't save America because he is NOT going to be president. You are wasting your time and money. Whether he should be president, or would make a good president, is beside the point. It's not going to happen. Yeah, yeah, people like me are part of the problem, aren't we? Naysayers. All my fault. Mm-hmm.
I used to be impressed by Ron Paul. That ended the day he announced his candidacy for president. Anyone who craves that job is not someone who should have that job.
Presidents, up till the current one, didn't have as much power as people thought. Now Bush has changed that with his abuse of executive privilege and his anointing of himself as dictator in the event of a national emergency. And that's the position the next president will inherit. Are they going to reverse these decisions, take power away from themselves? Hell, no. People who crave power are incapable of giving it up once they have it.
In 2008, I am voting for None Of The Above.
Last Monday at Ground Zero Lounge (see video below), someone demanded of Clyde Lewis that he declare his support for a candidate. He wouldn't accept hearing what Clyde wanted in a candidate; he wanted a NAME. And when he didn't get it, he accused Clyde of evading the question. How can you answer a question that has no answer, except with a lie?
I don't know about Clyde, but no one is making me vote for someone on the list just because the list is there. I don't want to hear any more crap about how everyone who voted for Nader or for anyone else but Gore or Kerry, actually voted for Bush. It's people like that who perpetuate the two-party system. The system that even Ron Paul is now feeding into. Perhaps -- in an alternate but similar universe in which I still supported presidential candidates -- I might have supported Ron Paul as an independent. But when he declared a Republican candidacy, he killed any faith I might have had in him.
Write someone in, you say. You have to vote for SOMEONE. No, I don't have to vote for anyone. I don't have to vote at all. Clyde and his friend on the video can say cute-ass things like "I'm writing in Satan", but I don't play that game. I don't have to buy into the farce that voting has become. I vote on issues. I vote on representatives, even though I no longer believe they represent me. In fact, I'm thinking of forgoing voting for any PERSON at all, for any office.
Yeah, I'm part of the problem, right? No, I'm part of YOUR problem. I'm someone who thinks for myself, instead of throwing in with a bunch of people who claim to think for themselves and then vote for a man who has sold out like the rest of them, and gloat about it among their clique. Wasn't that what Libertarians were supposed to be against?
This started out being about the stock market, didn't it? How I do digress.
Ground Zero articles of interest:
If this video doesn't work for you, try this link, or go to video.google.com and search 8-13-07 clyde lewis.
Stock Market Brushfire; Will there be a run on the banks?
NO, dammit. Not right now. It's too early.
Not unless you keep cranking that siren. Are you TRYING to cause a run on the banks, with your panic scenarios?
Yes. You are.
You'd love it if the stock market crashed and all your dire predictions came true. You and your guns and your gold could crouch in the tall grass around your fortified homes and shiver with grim satisfaction.
But that's just me, I guess.
Look, sometimes I dwell in that world, too. Anyone who reads this blog -- all two of you -- know that. Some of the philosophy makes a lot of sense. Your scenario is one of the ones that may come true. But the world may go in a different direction than the one you predict. Have you taken steps to adapt to more than one? Or does it just have to be yours?
Do you want it so bad you've got to make it true? Is "I told you so" that important? You people try so hard to make Ed and Elaine Brown, two incredibly insignificant people on whom, till now, I've been striving not to waste words, into a libertarian cause celebre, and your new Waco keeps NOT HAPPENING, doesn't it? I'm expecting one of you to start plinking at the police cars after a while just to relieve your tension by starting the festivities.
Yeah, I know, the mainstream media participated in the panic campaign too. Seems to me that's the exact reason why you SHOULDN'T have.
I'm tired of hearing about how Ron Paul is the only one who can save America. He can't save America because he is NOT going to be president. You are wasting your time and money. Whether he should be president, or would make a good president, is beside the point. It's not going to happen. Yeah, yeah, people like me are part of the problem, aren't we? Naysayers. All my fault. Mm-hmm.
I used to be impressed by Ron Paul. That ended the day he announced his candidacy for president. Anyone who craves that job is not someone who should have that job.
Presidents, up till the current one, didn't have as much power as people thought. Now Bush has changed that with his abuse of executive privilege and his anointing of himself as dictator in the event of a national emergency. And that's the position the next president will inherit. Are they going to reverse these decisions, take power away from themselves? Hell, no. People who crave power are incapable of giving it up once they have it.
In 2008, I am voting for None Of The Above.
Last Monday at Ground Zero Lounge (see video below), someone demanded of Clyde Lewis that he declare his support for a candidate. He wouldn't accept hearing what Clyde wanted in a candidate; he wanted a NAME. And when he didn't get it, he accused Clyde of evading the question. How can you answer a question that has no answer, except with a lie?
I don't know about Clyde, but no one is making me vote for someone on the list just because the list is there. I don't want to hear any more crap about how everyone who voted for Nader or for anyone else but Gore or Kerry, actually voted for Bush. It's people like that who perpetuate the two-party system. The system that even Ron Paul is now feeding into. Perhaps -- in an alternate but similar universe in which I still supported presidential candidates -- I might have supported Ron Paul as an independent. But when he declared a Republican candidacy, he killed any faith I might have had in him.
Write someone in, you say. You have to vote for SOMEONE. No, I don't have to vote for anyone. I don't have to vote at all. Clyde and his friend on the video can say cute-ass things like "I'm writing in Satan", but I don't play that game. I don't have to buy into the farce that voting has become. I vote on issues. I vote on representatives, even though I no longer believe they represent me. In fact, I'm thinking of forgoing voting for any PERSON at all, for any office.
Yeah, I'm part of the problem, right? No, I'm part of YOUR problem. I'm someone who thinks for myself, instead of throwing in with a bunch of people who claim to think for themselves and then vote for a man who has sold out like the rest of them, and gloat about it among their clique. Wasn't that what Libertarians were supposed to be against?
This started out being about the stock market, didn't it? How I do digress.
Ground Zero articles of interest:
If this video doesn't work for you, try this link, or go to video.google.com and search 8-13-07 clyde lewis.
Labels: campaign 2008, economy, executive powers, fascism, media, panic button, political correctness, presidential campaign, propaganda
posted by Delirium at
1:39 PM
2 Comments:
How can you complain about "people like that who perpetuate the two-party system" and not vote third party?
You're just another one of the "people like that who perpetuate the two-party system." That's what your refusal to support the 'outside' candidates amounts to.
You can't vote for a winner and vote for principle at the same time. You've noticed, this post says as much. Your "compromise" of not voting at all is no compromise at all though. Your entire post says little more than "it'll work somehow".
Maybe other people will save you - and me, and the nation, for that matter.
Maybe it won't be as bad as the doomsayers predict. I support Ron Paul quite a bit, but I'd just as well have a strong economy myself. There are things I want more than a strong economy, but I'm not one of the Brownite survivalists who places value on "I told you so". And just maybe, somehow, it'll turn out well like you say it will. Somehow.
But you know, there's a third maybe here. Maybe you shouldn't use a cop-out like that. Instead of saying "somehow", do something. "Waste" your efforts. "Waste" your vote.
Someone has to, or else your "maybe" will be a "no chance in hell".
Freethinkers who give up on thought aren't freethinkers anymore. If you're as proud of your freedom as you say then throw the "somehow" and "someone" garbage out.
Hell, write your own name in if you can't even trust the third parties. But sitting at home and pretending that "somehow" is a noble excuse for inaction - that's just as pathetic than libertarian doomsayers trying to cause runs on banks.
Thank you for commenting! I hope you come back to read my response, but so far, people never seem to do so.
How can you complain about "people like that who perpetuate the two-party system" and not vote third party?
How could I complain about the two-party system and vote at ALL? I've already tried voting third party, more than once, back when I thought it mattered. And all I got out of it was accusations of having wasted my vote. I certainly didn't get any results.
Your "compromise" of not voting at all is no compromise at all though. Your entire post says little more than "it'll work somehow".
Odd that you should put "compromise" in quotes, since I did not call it a compromise. It isn't. It's just what I'm doing. As for "it'll work somehow"...no, I don't believe it will work at all. If you're going to use quotes, at least quote what I said, not what you say.
And just maybe, somehow, it'll turn out well like you say it will. Somehow.
Again -- where did I say that? I didn't. I didn't say it would turn out well. I didn't offer an opinion on how it will turn out. I never even used the word "somehow". Or implied it. That's your word and your concept.
But you know, there's a third maybe here. Maybe you shouldn't use a cop-out like that. Instead of saying "somehow", do something. "Waste" your efforts. "Waste" your vote.
I don't think it's a cop-out, I think it's a conscious choice. I guess we'll have to disagree on that. (There you go saying I said "somehow" again. Didn't...) And you want me to waste my effort and my vote...does that mean you are saying it's a "waste"? Then how come you think I should vote?
Freethinkers who give up on thought aren't freethinkers anymore.
Haven't given up on thought. I think a great deal. I just don't seem to be thinking the way you want me to.
If you're as proud of your freedom as you say then throw the "somehow" and "someone" garbage out.
Whose post did you read? I never said "somehow", I only said "someone" once and it wasn't in the context you're speaking of, and I don't remember mentioning pride in my freedom. You're reading a lot into this that I didn't put into it.
But sitting at home and pretending that "somehow" is a noble excuse for inaction
Well then, it's a good thing I won't be sitting at home; I'll be voting on issues. (Well, technically, I will be sitting at home doing that, because in my state we can only vote by mail.) I am making no excuses, noble or otherwise. I don't need an excuse. To whom am I expected to excuse myself? Who's the voting police?
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